DEGROWTH OR ABUNDANCE: WHICH PATH ACTUALLY SAVES THE PLANET?
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The empirical record is clear: GDP growth and carbon emissions are historically coupled, and no rich country has achieved the absolute decoupling the climate requires at the speed required. Relative decoupling — lower emissions per unit of GDP — is real but insufficient. The physics of the carbon...
Posted by jconnor
Degrowth is not poverty — it is redesigning economies around wellbeing, shorter working weeks, and sufficiency rather than accumulation. Scandinavian countries demonstrate high quality of life with substantially lower material throughput than the US. The model exists; what's missing is the...
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The abundance agenda assumes future technology will solve problems already here. Degrowth addresses them now without betting civilization on breakthroughs that may not arrive in time. Carbon capture at scale, fusion power, and direct air removal are not proven technologies — they are research...
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The case against
Degrowth in rich countries exports misery to poor ones. A contracting global economy cuts off development pathways that lifted billions from poverty and denies the same to billions more. Telling the global poor they cannot aspire to the material living standards of the global rich — in the name of...
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The clean-energy transition requires massive material throughput: solar panels, wind turbines, grid-scale batteries, EVs, and transmission infrastructure. Only growth-funded investment can deploy these at climate-relevant scale. Degrowth defunds the very industrial capacity needed to decarbonize.
Posted by jconnor
No government has ever won a mandate for deliberately making its population poorer. The first country to seriously implement degrowth hands economic and political dominance to rivals who won't. The lesson of the 20th century is that geopolitical power follows economic dynamism, not restraint.
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What is a strong argument for "Degrowth or Abundance: Which Path Actually Saves the Planet?"?
The empirical record is clear: GDP growth and carbon emissions are historically coupled, and no rich country has achieved the absolute decoupling the climate requires at the speed required. Relative decoupling — lower emissions per unit of GDP — is real but insufficient. The physics of the carbon... (Argued by jconnor on SuperDebate.)
What is a strong argument against "Degrowth or Abundance: Which Path Actually Saves the Planet?"?
Degrowth in rich countries exports misery to poor ones. A contracting global economy cuts off development pathways that lifted billions from poverty and denies the same to billions more. Telling the global poor they cannot aspire to the material living standards of the global rich — in the name of... (Argued by jconnor on SuperDebate.)
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